Dell :: NVidia 8400m GS
Dec 6, 2008
I recently bought a laptop and before it ships I have been looking around at how the 8400m GS performs. The video card is labeled at 128 mb but many people have been posting on forums about how they're cards are telling them they have 256mb instead of 128.
More commonly, Youtube videos are all titled 8400m GS *256*. Is the 128mb version just really uncommon? Or is it really 256 mb. I also stumbled upon something called Turbo Cache (not sure if that's the right name for it) that has the GPU use some of my systems RAM...Isn't that what integrated chipsets do?
Anyway here's my system:
XPS M1530 Laptop: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T8100 (2.1GHz/800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache)
3 GB DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz (2 DIMMs)
320 GB SATA Hard Drive (5400 RPM)
128MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS
If anyone knows anything about Turbo Cache or how this card performs with World of Warcraft.
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Jul 19, 2007
How crappy is the NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8400M GS really? I am using a 7800gtx in my inspron 9300. Just ordered a 1330--- is the 8400 superior to the 7800gtx?
on a related note, is there anyway to upgrade the NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8400M GS to a different video card? Is any other nvidia card compatible?
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Oct 26, 2008
buying second hand, 2yr warranty left
however person said he had graphics problems and his computer was serviced (motherboard replaced).
I dont want to have it die on me later on, price is good compared to other systems where I live (same price as a new vostro 1310).
bottom line, whats the probability this would happen again ? any chance of a perm fix ?
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Jul 2, 2008
Dell XPS M1330 - nVidia GeForce 8400M GS - Copper Mod - Step by Step Guide
Dell XPS M1330 Notebook with nVidia GeForce 8400M GS GPU has an inadequate Thermal Cooling Assembly. It uses a Thermal Cooling Pad between the GPU and the GPU Thermal Cooling Assembly instead of a direct contact between the two with a Thermal Compound. This leads to overheating the GPU and damaging it along with other components. The solution is to replace the existing Thermal Cooling Pad with a Copper Sheet and a Thermal Compound.
Note: This Copper Mod does not solve problems arising from a weak die/packaging material set in certain versions of GPU. Their failure appears related to the combination of the interaction between the chip material set and the system design. The combination of limited thermal management and frequent power cycling is particularly challenging for the GPU. Dell is offering a 12 Month Limited Warranty Enhancement specific to this issue. However, this Copper Mod might help delay the failure by improving the thermal management.
Materials:
01. Copper Sheet. Recommended: Gauge 16 & Grade C106 - 14x14x1.5mm.
02. Thermal Compound. Recommended: Arctic Silver 5.
03. Thermal Compound Cleaner (Isopropyl Alcohol or Acetone).
04. Cotton Swabs.
05. Paper Napkins.
Tools:
01. Phillips Screwdriver - #0.
02. Utility Knife.
03. Thermal Compound Spreader.
Drivers & Utilities: (for Microsoft Windows Vista 32 Bit)
01. Dell XPS M1330 A13 - 1.02MB. (BIOS Firmware). Recommended.
02. Dell nVidia GeForce 8400M GS 176.44 A10 - 52.70MB. (Video Driver). Recommended.
03. HWMonitor 1.11 - 397.00KB. (Monitor GPU, CPU, Chipset and HDD Temperatures).
04. GPU-Z 0.2.8 - 410.00KB. (Monitor GPU Clocks).
05. I8kfanGUI 3.1 - 1.61MB. (Monitor Fan Status and Speed).
06. RivaTuner 2.11 - 2.30MB. (Monitor GPU Status on OSD).
07. 3DMark06 Basic Edition 1.1.0 - 413.00MB. (Benchmark GPU).
08. Intel Thermal Analysis Tool 2.05 - 3.31MB. (Benchmark CPU).
Procedures:
Before You Begin!
01. Disassemble the Module Cover by loosening the four Screws.
| 1 - M2.5x5mm Screw (1) | 2 - Captive Screws (3) | 3 - Module Cover (1) | Image: Dell Service Manual |......................
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Sep 16, 2008
Tried a G.Skill 4GB module in the M1330 this evening.
It is not recognized in slot A or B. This was tested with BIOS A08 and A12. This unit was purchased in March 2008.
It's a no go for this model it seems.
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Aug 26, 2009
I had assumed, but I want to make sure that my SZ6's problem is due to the Nvidia temp defect thing everyone's talking about.
Basically my computer is always very hot. Just downloaded SpeedFan and the GPU and both Cores are 78C and i've just been surfing the web for a few hours.
The problem happens when I play games (like Civ4 or Half-life 2) for a few hours or sometimes less if its a hot day. The laptop will abruptly power off as if I pulled the battery and power cord out.
When I reboot, I get that error message that says Windows did not shut down properly, do you want to reboot normally or in safe mode
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Jan 15, 2009
I only get 16bit color in xp but in vista there is no problem I have 32 bit. When I change
resolution to 32 in xp on next boot it rechanges itself to 16 again.! I have all fn keys working and power management and this is only issue I have with xp
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Nov 13, 2009
my graphic card drivers.
I have a Sony VGN-FZ38M (originnaly bought with vista) and I have installed windows 7 64bits
My graphics card is a NVIDIA 8400M GT, and I've tested a lot of drivers for this model but no one works. tried both drivers on sony [url] webiste but always same issue : "your system is not supported..."
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Oct 18, 2009
i have HP DV 2700 with nvidia 8400m gs. the laptop has 2 graphics chips intel gm965 chipset with gma3100 and 8400m gs. is it possible to switch between the two. i am having problems with drivers. i am not able to install latest drivers from nvidia site. it doesnt show on rivatuner saying nvidia driver not detected. the driver from hp works but its very old 176.xx. so is there a way out to install new driver and switch between graphics. i searched intel site but did nt find any thing related to this problem.The bios doesnt have any option like the desktop pc s have. Does bios tweaking...
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Aug 15, 2009
I have a Sony Vaio VGN-SZ780 that passed its 1 year warranty a few months ago.
My laptop was experiencing overheating and would either reboot suddenly after the blue screen of death or would just shut down in the middle when using the nvidia 8400 GPU.
From Sony's explanation, I read that the shutdown of the system is a normal behavior under high temperature and I assumed it was not a problem and just an inconvenience.
Just 30 minutes ago, my laptop screen turn white completely and froze so I shut down the system immediately and since then, my SZ780 DOES NOT BOOT when using the Nvidia GPU!
Sony's recent replacement annoucement of defective Nvidia GPUs EXCLUDE the SZ models so for me, I have no additional warranty that can cover this.
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Feb 19, 2009
This has been getting on my nerves lately. In the past, they never bothered releasing drivers for laptops but now that they do, I can't get it to work with my laptop, which is HP Pavilion 6670ee with NVidia 8400M GS...
I know that 3rd party driver will work with it but I am not able to get the PhysX support with those drivers for some reason and if I download Notebook driver from NVidia website, the latest which they released few days ago for example.
I get this error during installation:
The NVIDIA setup program could not locate any drivers that are compatible with your current hardware. Setup will now exit.
It's NVidia's own 8400M GS - wth is it not detecting it?
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Oct 27, 2009
Can anyone be kind enough to share a flash ROM copy of Nvidia Geforce 8400M GT notebook graphics display for
Sony Vaio VGN-AR61M? A backup copy done with Nvflash, NiBiTor or any similar flash app perhaps will do.
I need to flash my video graphics display which is no longer recognized. For some unknown reasons,
after installing and playing some high resolution games, my pc crashed and suddenly Windows 7 display won't accept any video driver except the standard VGA adapter
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Dec 29, 2008
I recently got a Dell Precision M4300 from a friend and had a few questions.
When i got the laptop, I reformatted the Laptop and Reinstalled Windows XP Pro SP2. I proceeded from Microsoft to Update to SP3 and so on.
Well I also Went to Dell's Website and downloaded all the necessary drivers (using the service tag) for this laptop and installed them.
Now here is where I ran into a problem,
When I installed the NVIDIA drivers for the NVidia Quadro FX 360M video card, everything seemed to go fine. Then I rebooted the Laptop, and now every time I reboot, my hardware acceleration is defaulted back to None, and it gives me multiple pop ups about this issue. I go into the settings and turn the Acceleration back to full and it goes away.
This is a major problem, and is really frustrating to deal with everytime the laptop is booted up.
My other problem, is when I open up Internet Explorer, It tends to lock up the browser for no reason when Loading a website. I then CTRL+ALT+DEL and attempt to close iexplore.exe via the task manager. It closes the browser but does not shut down the browser, making it impossible to browse, so then I have to reboot.
here are the specs of the PC, from the device manager and drivers I have gotten
Dell Precision M4300
NVidia Quadro FX 360M 512mb Video Graphics Card
TSST 8x dvd+-R burner
120GB Hard Drive
3.5GB of Ram
2.5GHZ T9300 Core 2 Duo Processor
1394 Port
2 USB ports
External Monitor Ports
Wifi Support
Bluetooth Support
Windows XP SP2 Pro
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Jan 8, 2008
I refreshed my colour settings under 'nVidia control panel' and now my colours look crap. Can someone plz give me your personal prefered percentage numbers of these following slide bars in 'Desktop Colour Settings'.
Brightness: %
Digital Vibrance: %
Contrast: %
Image Sharpening: %
Gamma: %
I know most you guys have LCD monitors, but just to be sure i'd like it in good colour for an LCD...
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May 24, 2010
i have a dell inspiron 1720 with a GeForce 8400M GS 128 ya i know it sucks but anyways when i go to dell or do a google all im seen is that the 8400 is a 256 ddr is this right? i run a program called TechPowerUp GPU and its saying 128 to did they make a 128 and a 256?
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Dec 7, 2008
Is my 8400M GS dying?
The other day I started to have intermittent 'display driver has stopped responding and has resumed' messages after the display blanks for a bit.
I checked my performance. In RTHDRIBL where I used to get high 40's to low 50's fps, I now get in the 20's, 30's, and 40's.
Then I checked some of the games (which I haven't played in a long while). Colin Mcrae Rally 5.0 and UT 2004 are so stuttery that they are unplayable.
I tried various driver versions thinking that the latest driver version from windows update was causing it, but have not had any success.
I also uninstalled Avast anti-virus and Rivatuner in case bad settings were the cause.
WEI score used to be 4.1/4.7, and is now 3.7/4.5
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Jan 26, 2009
don't do this, unless you have the copper mod.
But I overclocked from 400/600 to 525/900, and the difference in performance was huge!
3DMark06 before: 1,700'ish
after: 2,077 !
RTHDRIBL 640 x 480 window before: ~ 50 fps
after: ~ 70 fps
----> around 40% increase!
W.E.I.: Aero/Gaming Graphics before: 4.1 / 4.7
after: 4.8 / 5.2
The good news is that my load temp has only increased a few degrees:
before: 72C
after: 75C
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Apr 4, 2009
using xps m1330. the laptopvideo2go forum page on that release didn't state...
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Feb 28, 2010
I own a vostro1510 with a 8400m gs. i am a casual gamer and during gaming gpu goes upto 85c. i am worried about my gpu as we all know about the failure rate of 8400 and 8600. my warranty is going to expire on sep 15 so do you guys recommend me going for extended warranty? i find it a bit costly.
remember my laptop was purchased on sep 15 2008 and my mobo was replaced few months back(not due to failing gpu). someone also told me that the replacement gpu's are not defective is it so?
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Oct 28, 2008
When did your 8400M GS Fail, if at all?
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Jun 5, 2009
Currently my M1530 has the nvidia 8400M GS chip in it. I'm thinking about swapping the motherboard out for one with an 8600M chip on it.
My question is, will it make much of a difference? How much greater is the 8600M w/ 256mb versus the 8400M w/ 128mb that is currently in my machine? Look forward to your responses.
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Aug 28, 2009
Anyone knows a good drivers for the 8400M GS card tweaked for good performance?
I play Company of Heroes a lot and would like to optimize my card to gain better performance.
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Apr 28, 2009
well basically my question is in the title...but i was wonder is there anyway i can lower the watt draw (11 watts stock) while im on battery power.
I know powermizer does this but can i lower it even more?
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May 25, 2009
Looking to get my sister a m1330 for a graduation gift and right now if you spend $1300 plus on a M1330 u get 25 percent off.
So i'm looking for ways to get the laptop to add up to $1300 and i can either upgrade the processor to
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9300 (2.5GHz/800Mhz FSB/6MB cache)
from
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Feb 22, 2010
So I have a broken Nvidia Geforce 8400m GS GPU on my Vostro 1400 out-of-warranty (even with Nvidia extension) laptop and Dell wants $240 to repair it.
That money could probably go to a new laptop, but I was still wondering if there was a way I could go for a do-it-yourself repair. How would I go about replacing the GPU? Is there a guide for this somewhere I could look for?
I'm guessing I will need to order a replacement motherboard from Dell to do this, but I'd rather attempt repairing the laptop on my own rather than send it to Dell's out-of-warranty repair depot. I've taken apart PCs before, but have never taken apart a laptop.
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Dec 11, 2008
I contacted the Dell support team to see whether my m1330 is affected by the bad batch of Nvidia Graphic card and I got this respond
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On your concern about the Nvidia Graphics, I should say that your system is not affected by it, however I am a Hardware expert with the XPS Team and would recommend to diagnose the Hardware to identify any problems.
To extensively diagnose the 'Hardware', your active participation is requested. Please follow all these steps mentioned below as they are inter related:
1. Disconnect all the devices which are connected to the system, like:internet cable,usb key,etc.
2. Power off the laptop. Disconnect the power cable from the laptop.
3. Close the system, turn it upside down, slide the battery latch and remove the battery.
4. Keep the battery out and put the system back in front of you..................
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Jul 5, 2009
I bought the "VGA Board MXM.8MGSHmm 256Mb" for my 5720g.
There:
[url]
The user TehSuigi says it's a GeForce 8400M GS 256MB MXM-I.
But the card doesn't work, my notebook just "beep" and the display remains black.
I'm wondering because the card is in the list for my notebook, but it is an MXM1 and my notebook has an MXM2.
Has anyone an idea to get it work? Maybe with anoder BIOS?
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Jan 4, 2009
I just stumbled accross the thread about modding some dell with an 8400M GS vidcard, I was wondering if this also applied to sony as well.. or they did a good job adding thermal compoung to the heatsink.
I just wanted to know if any of you did some mod, if it's really necessary or my GPU will melt slowly while I game.
Some guy said about placing a copper sheet in between the heatsink and the gpu.. but I still don't get how much pressure should be applied when bolting the screws.
On the other hand has anyone mod their 8400 M GT to say a 8600 using rivatuner..
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Jul 23, 2009
I just discovered an interesting issue after undervolting my DV9700's CPU and overclocking its graphics chip but forgot to post it earlier. When playing GTAIV (which is extremely GPU intensive as you know), the whole notebook will get warm. I already know from FurMark that my 8400M GS will reach 80C in its current configuration so i can understand why the thing gets warm. However the fan always runs at minimum speed when playing GTAIV...
This leads me to believe that the cooling fan is exclusively controlled by the CPU temperature. It wouldn't matter if the graphics chip would be on fire - the fan will still not ramp up unless the CPU reaches the temperature threshold. I'll check exactly what these threshold values are later, but i remember that on my DV5 it's 75C for high and 85C for maximum. The fans on these things have 4 speeds IIRC.
Now, my DV9700 is a large and rather solidly built machine. It easily copes with the heat even with the fan turned down, i have no issues with GTAIV or any other game, and if you recall it had a faulty fan when i got it yet it was still able to work for 20 minutes before reaching shutdown temperature.
But if this is true for all laptops, i can see why these GPUs fail. Notebook manufacturers should consider implementing a fan controller that reads from both CPU and GPU sensors.
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May 11, 2009
I have been reading the threads related to HP notebooks with defective nVidia GPUs and just out of curiosity, I checked the 8400M GS GPU in my roommate's HP dv2700 notebook, which normally runs @ 80 - 90 deg C, using GPU-z software. The sensor data matched the default core / memory clock for 8400M GS, when under stress. But I got confused when I saw that the shader tab is disabled .
I do not know if somebody else has already come across this situation. I searched here and could not find a similar reported problem, hence this thread. Am I missing something here or is there someone out there having the same problem. Can it be something related to an older ForceWare version (156.65)?
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