Sony :: Is Copper Mod Necessary On Vaio FZ190 With 8400M GT
Jan 4, 2009
I just stumbled accross the thread about modding some dell with an 8400M GS vidcard, I was wondering if this also applied to sony as well.. or they did a good job adding thermal compoung to the heatsink.
I just wanted to know if any of you did some mod, if it's really necessary or my GPU will melt slowly while I game.
Some guy said about placing a copper sheet in between the heatsink and the gpu.. but I still don't get how much pressure should be applied when bolting the screws.
On the other hand has anyone mod their 8400 M GT to say a 8600 using rivatuner..
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May 22, 2010
I'm new to this forum and I really hope someone can help me out! I have a Vaio VGN-FZ190 and I installed windows 7 on it in November 2009 (before that I had Windows Vista).
Ever since I installed Windows 7, my Firefox would stop responding for a couple of minutes.
It still does that, but now when it does that, other programs (such as AIM or iTunes) will also stop responding for that time and then they start again and it's all normal
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Aug 15, 2009
I have a Sony Vaio VGN-SZ780 that passed its 1 year warranty a few months ago.
My laptop was experiencing overheating and would either reboot suddenly after the blue screen of death or would just shut down in the middle when using the nvidia 8400 GPU.
From Sony's explanation, I read that the shutdown of the system is a normal behavior under high temperature and I assumed it was not a problem and just an inconvenience.
Just 30 minutes ago, my laptop screen turn white completely and froze so I shut down the system immediately and since then, my SZ780 DOES NOT BOOT when using the Nvidia GPU!
Sony's recent replacement annoucement of defective Nvidia GPUs EXCLUDE the SZ models so for me, I have no additional warranty that can cover this.
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Dec 30, 2009
I have a Sony Vaio VGN-FZ18M Laptop (Running Vista Home Premium) which I would like to update to Windows 7 Ultimate.
On running MS compatibility Checker it points out that the Driver for Geforce 8400M GT is not compatible.
When I try to find a new driver via NVIDIA I keep being referred to Sony who seem to have washed their hands of the problem See reply message below.
Can you point me at a driver that will work with Windows 7 or has anyone updated to Windows 7 with this Geforce 8400M GT driver and had any success.
I seem to be going round in circles trying to find a solution.
i.e. NVIDIA say go to Sony and SONY say go to NVIDIA
I note from searching the net that there are many people out there with Vaio FZ models having similar problems and that Sony seem to have created upgrades for quiet a number of their models but have stated “Please note that your computer is not eligible for the Upgrade to Windows 7.”
This I find disgraceful for a Company to completely wash its hands of supporting a machine that is barely 2 years old and the fact the New OS from MS is seen as an industry standard which they will be delivering in future. They refer to it as 3rd Party Software which their reply would infer they are not going to support in their machines. I wonder if that applies to their latest models?
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Oct 27, 2009
Can anyone be kind enough to share a flash ROM copy of Nvidia Geforce 8400M GT notebook graphics display for
Sony Vaio VGN-AR61M? A backup copy done with Nvflash, NiBiTor or any similar flash app perhaps will do.
I need to flash my video graphics display which is no longer recognized. For some unknown reasons,
after installing and playing some high resolution games, my pc crashed and suddenly Windows 7 display won't accept any video driver except the standard VGA adapter
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Feb 6, 2010
Ive had my FZ190 for about 2 years. Every time I move my laptop the wireless indications on the front will turn off, thus loosing my internet. Then I have to fiddle with the wireless switch on the front to get it to reconnect
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Dec 1, 2009
This must be one of the biggest design flaws ever. My VAIO has a built-in camera & microphone (just like most VAIO's I'm sure)... anyway, here's the issue:
The microphone is always active and is constantly feeding whatever sound it picks up directly to my speakers. For instance: Every time I close my laptop (as one normally does multiple times a day to make it enter sleep),
the microphone lays against the bottom case and picks up the electronic resonance from the internal components and then sends this horrid noise through my speakers, creating the most ear piercingly awful and embarrassing sound that lasts until the computer goes to sleep.....
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May 29, 2009
My sister has a sony VGN-FZ190, and we just put in a new hard drive...problem is, i need to update the drivers, and i cant figure out what she needs, and what she doesnt. the support site is terrible in contrast to dells site (for my dell E6400), so i am kind of lost.
She definitely needs a GPU firmware update (1.0 in windows experience), but i have no idea what to get...nvidias website wont tell me what to download since its a laptop GPU. Are there any other important firmware updates or anything to install, or anything else i should know about this before i mess around with it? Do sony laptops use Intel matrix storage manager? I know that was an important update for mine.
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Dec 5, 2009
I just tonight noticed that the F5/F6 keys do not work after the machine wakes from sleep. It works fine after I reboot. But after sleep the OSD will show up when I hit F5 or F6. The display gauge will move to the left TWO positions when I hit F5 but only once. If I hit F5 again, nothing happens. If I hit F6 it moves to the right TWO positions again only one time. In both cases there is NO change to brightness.
I tried to log off and back on to see if it has any effect. It did not. I'll reboot now and the hibernate to see if the problem recurs coming out of hibernation.
I am running Win7 ultimate 32 bit.
UPDATE: Well this is strange. I rebooted and the F5/F6 keys worked fine of course. I hibernated and then came back out and they still worked fine. I logged off and back on and again they were fine. So this seems to be ONLY a sleep issue.
If any of you have an FZ model running Win7 32 bit. Can you try this and report your findings?
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Oct 26, 2009
With all the hand wringing folks have been doing about the lack of drivers for a clean install of Win7 I thought I'd jump in to the deep end of the pool with my FZ190 and investigate an alternative. My good friends Rajesh and Dr. Pratik have done clean installs of Win7 on FZ models, but I decided to take a different approach... the "dreaded" OS in place upgrade. Partly out of curiosity, I wanted to see if it would work, but mainly because I have a ton of software that would need to be reinstalled, if I did a clean install. That would mean days or weeks of inventorying every thing I have installed, digging up installation media and then installing all the stuff. I just don't have the spare time. So...
This past weekend I imaged my C: drive (all my data and I mean ALL my data is on D:, I am a fanatic about that). MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BACKUP OF YOUR C: DRIVE BEFORE YOU TRY AN UPGRADE! I ran the Windows 7 Update adviser and it said I had some issues:
Quote:
NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GT - NVIDIA Not compatible The driver installed for this device is not compatible with Windows 7....................
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Aug 26, 2009
I had assumed, but I want to make sure that my SZ6's problem is due to the Nvidia temp defect thing everyone's talking about.
Basically my computer is always very hot. Just downloaded SpeedFan and the GPU and both Cores are 78C and i've just been surfing the web for a few hours.
The problem happens when I play games (like Civ4 or Half-life 2) for a few hours or sometimes less if its a hot day. The laptop will abruptly power off as if I pulled the battery and power cord out.
When I reboot, I get that error message that says Windows did not shut down properly, do you want to reboot normally or in safe mode
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Jan 15, 2009
I only get 16bit color in xp but in vista there is no problem I have 32 bit. When I change
resolution to 32 in xp on next boot it rechanges itself to 16 again.! I have all fn keys working and power management and this is only issue I have with xp
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Nov 13, 2009
my graphic card drivers.
I have a Sony VGN-FZ38M (originnaly bought with vista) and I have installed windows 7 64bits
My graphics card is a NVIDIA 8400M GT, and I've tested a lot of drivers for this model but no one works. tried both drivers on sony [url] webiste but always same issue : "your system is not supported..."
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Jan 21, 2010
I would like to update my graphic card drivers on my VAIO. For the life of me, I just can't find a link to an updated graphic card driver on the Sony website. Yet when I let nVidia scan my subsystem, it states that the following: "The manufacturer of this system requires that you download the driver for your GPU from their support site."
It then goes on to say that they do have some notebook drivers, but I may lose some notebook specific features if I take that path. To be honest, I don't think that there is any feature to lose here, but just in case, does anyone know if Sony has updated any graphic card drivers in the last few years (mine is dated 2007)?
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Aug 20, 2009
I've been reading through the "Dell XPS M1330 - nVidia GeForce 8400M GS - Copper Mod" thread (must admit not all gazillion pages...), and I was wondering if this mod would be possible for the Studio XPS16 as well, since the M1330 uses an Nvidia GPU, whereas the SXPS16 uses an ATI GPU. And, if it were, would it be beneficial?
How would one go about the mod then? Is the procedure similar to the M1330 mod described in the thread?
Link to the thread: Dell XPS M1330 - nVidia GeForce 8400M GS - Copper Mod
One more question: The pictures in the thread show three large chips under the heatsink; one is the CPU, the other one is the GPU, but what is the 3rd one? Southbridge?
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Sep 10, 2009
So the technician is coming and I need to reverse the copper mod (I have a M1330). I'm not very good at this, so I need your help:
1) Basically, I just need to follow the same instructions for the copper mod, but this time using the foam square, right? Is there something else I should take into account?
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May 7, 2010
I've recently had one of my D620's fail on me due to overheating GPU, and now that I've given it to a family member, I've been thinking about what I could do to help the issue,
as she watches quite a bit of TV shows on YouTube and GPU temperatures shoot up to 170F or so even with the back of the laptop jacked up. My D630 hovers around 150F just doing office-type work .....
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Mar 19, 2010
What other things can i do to prevent overheating? I can't do the copper mod as it will be under warranty.
Depending on temps when i get it i will probably change the thermal paste with some arctic silver. I'll also undervolt the cpu and the gpu but will this be enough? I'm also looking at a cooling platform and i have a griffin stand which will get some air underneath it. Depends how hot it gets under load but are there any other tweaks i can perform or mods to improve cooling that wouldn't void the warranty?
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Nov 16, 2009
My motherboard was replaced couple of days ago by DELL technician (GPU problem). Now with new mobo I have GPU temps uder stress up to 100C. Its too much I think. My question is what is your temperatures?
I'm thinking also about copper mod of cooling system, but not sure about thikness of the copper shim for D630, I know that for XPS1330 it is 1.5mm ..
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May 10, 2009
There are 3 known revisions of the heatsink. The first and second shown here while the third being another copper one but with smaller heat plates.
I know technically copper should be better since it is a better conductor than aluminum.
I have the aluminum revision but was thinking of buying a copper one off ebay. However before doing so I found a thread which noted some differences I didn't notice.
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May 7, 2010
i believe many of u experience gpu reaching near 100 degrees when gaming, causing laptop to jus turn off by itself.
a gd news here..copper shim solve the problem, which means it lower down temp to prevent tat from happening.
received copper shim in my mailbox yesterday.
thickness is 0.044", 1.11mm, 0.1cm
size is 0.75", 19.05mm, 1.9cm (kind of too big for gpu, becos the seller hav tat size for tat thickness, but nvm, look below)
wat i do next is to use a sand paper(fine one, not rough one), i use 1000cw since i had tat at home. lazy to go out to get more fine one.
do it on a flat surface, sand until like mirror effect.
now proceed to dismantle the whole laptop.
it seems tat the heatsink is too small for tat copper shim, but no need to worry, the surrounding alum is a little lower than tat copper.
using Arctic Cooling MX-2. apply on both cpu, gpu, n on copper shim after placing over gpu.
Stress test results
*Ambient Temperature: 32 degrees
Before copper mod, wit default thermal pad. i immediately stop the test b4 it blackout.
After thermal pad was replaced by Copper Shim.
temperature was still steady at 88 degrees after 11mins!
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Jan 16, 2010
Hi, have just bought a Studio 1557 off eBay, but only after buying (not yet received) did I read various forum comments, here and elsewhere, about overheating issues (especially for the GPU, the HD 4570).
I want my laptop to last years (hopeful, aren't I!). I've read that several members have managed to put a copper shim (with thermal paste either side) between the chip and its heatsink and successfully lowered operating temps. that way, but can't find any mention of exact dimensions for the shim!
There are a couple of sellers on eBay that offer copper shims for laptop chips but they don't appear to have a stock one for the Studio 1557; they are willing to make one to measure, if I can supply dimensions, i.e. size and thickness.
I'd be grateful if anyone who's successfully fitted a copper shim to the GPU, in particular, of their Studio 1557 could post the exact dimensions, obviously including thickness, of the shim.
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Jul 26, 2009
Trying to get rid of these questionably useful programs -- but I don't see entries for them in add/remove programs in the control panel (or for any of the other useless VAIO software packages that come on OEM machines sans "fresh start")
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May 24, 2010
i have a dell inspiron 1720 with a GeForce 8400M GS 128 ya i know it sucks but anyways when i go to dell or do a google all im seen is that the 8400 is a 256 ddr is this right? i run a program called TechPowerUp GPU and its saying 128 to did they make a 128 and a 256?
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Dec 7, 2008
Is my 8400M GS dying?
The other day I started to have intermittent 'display driver has stopped responding and has resumed' messages after the display blanks for a bit.
I checked my performance. In RTHDRIBL where I used to get high 40's to low 50's fps, I now get in the 20's, 30's, and 40's.
Then I checked some of the games (which I haven't played in a long while). Colin Mcrae Rally 5.0 and UT 2004 are so stuttery that they are unplayable.
I tried various driver versions thinking that the latest driver version from windows update was causing it, but have not had any success.
I also uninstalled Avast anti-virus and Rivatuner in case bad settings were the cause.
WEI score used to be 4.1/4.7, and is now 3.7/4.5
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Jan 26, 2009
don't do this, unless you have the copper mod.
But I overclocked from 400/600 to 525/900, and the difference in performance was huge!
3DMark06 before: 1,700'ish
after: 2,077 !
RTHDRIBL 640 x 480 window before: ~ 50 fps
after: ~ 70 fps
----> around 40% increase!
W.E.I.: Aero/Gaming Graphics before: 4.1 / 4.7
after: 4.8 / 5.2
The good news is that my load temp has only increased a few degrees:
before: 72C
after: 75C
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Dec 6, 2008
I recently bought a laptop and before it ships I have been looking around at how the 8400m GS performs. The video card is labeled at 128 mb but many people have been posting on forums about how they're cards are telling them they have 256mb instead of 128.
More commonly, Youtube videos are all titled 8400m GS *256*. Is the 128mb version just really uncommon? Or is it really 256 mb. I also stumbled upon something called Turbo Cache (not sure if that's the right name for it) that has the GPU use some of my systems RAM...Isn't that what integrated chipsets do?
Anyway here's my system:
XPS M1530 Laptop: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T8100 (2.1GHz/800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache)
3 GB DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz (2 DIMMs)
320 GB SATA Hard Drive (5400 RPM)
128MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS
If anyone knows anything about Turbo Cache or how this card performs with World of Warcraft.
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Apr 4, 2009
using xps m1330. the laptopvideo2go forum page on that release didn't state...
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Feb 28, 2010
I own a vostro1510 with a 8400m gs. i am a casual gamer and during gaming gpu goes upto 85c. i am worried about my gpu as we all know about the failure rate of 8400 and 8600. my warranty is going to expire on sep 15 so do you guys recommend me going for extended warranty? i find it a bit costly.
remember my laptop was purchased on sep 15 2008 and my mobo was replaced few months back(not due to failing gpu). someone also told me that the replacement gpu's are not defective is it so?
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Oct 28, 2008
When did your 8400M GS Fail, if at all?
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