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Dell :: Lenovo W500 Versus M4400


Well I was trying to buy the M4400 a few days back and the call dropped with the rep and she never called me back. So this gave me time to take a look at the W500 again and I was pleased to find that they had the P9500 offered, so now I am having difficulty deciding which to get.

I will be using the laptop for a lot of CAD work. I do finite element analysis, CAM programming, and part design using CATIA v5r17. I also use MATLAB and Simulink. So CPU, memory, and videocard performance are quite important to me. However I also travel around a lot and I would be bringing this laptop around from the office to the machine shop several times a day, so it needs to be rugged.

What I like about the W500 is that it has the switchable graphics so that it will run cooler and save battery life when graphics power is not an issue. I also like the fact that it has the lower power consumption and higher performance DDR3 memory. Finally, I like that it can be configured with the low power P9500 processor (2.53Ghz, 1066Mhz FSB, 6MB L2, 25W).....................


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When my Precision M4400 goes to sleep after I close the lid, it sometimes turns itself back on without opening the lid back up (it gets rather hot and the fan is running by the time I go to use the computer again, however, I believe the screen stays off).

This has really started to bother me lately as the heat cannot be good for the computer and I always have to turn the computer off by holding the power button after it does this because the screen won't turn back on.

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Dell :: New M4400 Love It But Its A Hot One
I love my new M4400, I put in my own fujitsu 320GB hard drive but it seems like the machine runs very warm around the hard drive area.

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Dell :: 8GB SDHC On My M4400
I can't run my 8GB SDHC card on the built-in card reader on my M4400.

Current OS is windows xp x64.

Is there an update for this issue?

One more thing is where to buy a new motherboard for the same
but the one include the nVIDIA 1700M?

I'm looking to upgrade mine, is it expensive?

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Dell :: Precision M4400
just got my m4400 and upgraded to vista business via the dell disks. Now the backlit keyboard dosen't work. It was working under XP. It on in the BIOS and the controlpoint.

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Dell :: M4400 Reliability
Well with quite a few M4400 users here, what has been your general reliability thoughts on it?

Mine is running fine however, having a nice chat with dell yesterday - it seems mines just come out of warranty.

Now I could buy their extended 2 year warranty at a cost of £260 which would be the next day business option or risk it and carry on using it.

Now what I am thinking is if it does not break down in the next 2 years then I save £260 .....

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Dell :: OSX86 On M4400
I am working to installing a copy of OSX on my laptop to have a portable editing solution from my desk. So far I have got a hacked version to boot up fine. I currently have no audio, no graphic acceleration, no usb, no lan, no wireless. In fact is seeming amazing it boot at all. I am trying to update to install first before I go searching for KEXT (mac driver) for all those components.

First is anyone else trying to run OSX on their machine?

Second am I am able to boot from the ESATA port with out having an OS driver? I am thinking about just getting a 2.5 Esata box instead of the chinese E-modular bay.

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Dell :: M2400 Or M4400
I plan to buy a Laptop within some days. It comes down to M2400 or M4400, as the T500 has no LED screen here in Europe and T400 no digital screen connection. I'm product designer but will attend business school next year, so I will do a lot of office stuff and traveling. The only difference in these systems is the GPU, I wonder how do they compare? Rhino should work fine on both I guess? Anyone able to compare those systems?

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Dell :: Qx9300 For M4400
I am planning to upgrade my P8600 to qx9300, but i don't know if the fan sink can do with the heat or not. (When i play 3d games)

Anyone got qx9300 in m4400 here?

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