Dell :: M1730 8800 Engineering Troubles
Oct 16, 2007
Just got off the phone with a tech guy at DELL XPS, I was asking about the upgrade path, and the 8800M cards, and timescales for release.
The guy says they have an engineering problem at the moment, and are "Unable to make the cards function correctly with the CPU" (for what reason I didnt ask) He did mention "proportional speeds" - so im assuming he means something about bus speeds but im not sure..and that "They have no immediate plans to release this card in this laptop".
He might well be feeding me rubbish just to try and get a sale, but does anyone have any contacts at Dell that can confirm or even deny this is true?
I was hoping that they would come out with the new card in the unit before or around xmas - seems (if this is anything close to the truth) that this is unlikely from what he said...
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Oct 21, 2009
I have m1730 with dual 8800 gtx. Had it over a year now and have had no problems with it. Now all a sudden when I enable SLI it gives me a blue screen. The problem is with nvlddmkm.sys. I'v tried different drivers and nothing has fixed this. I googled and looked for similar problems but nobody seems to have any fixes. Also most problems I found on google are when running games. My machine won't even boot up in SLI mode with the original driver. With the newer drivers after i accept changes seems like windows is attempting to load the second card then i get the blue screen.
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Jan 29, 2008
if anything currently selling could match pefrormance of DELL`s updated line ...just check out the new m1730 config with dual GTXs
Hope to see benchmarks soon and some instant savings, DELL
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Aug 24, 2009
problem with my 8800 GTX in my XPS 1730...
Within Vista, both cards show up with a yellow exclamaton and a error code 43
I tried installing drivers off the dell website and then using Nvidia Reference drivers. No luck...
Re-Installed vista fresh- same problem...
Installed Windows 7 w/ Refernce Nvidia drivers - Same problem.
THEN..I installed Windows XP Pro SP3 with Dell website drivers and everything is working fine. Ran 3dmark, no crashes...
is this a software problem or hardware? Why would my 8800 work in XP but not Vista or Win 7? Has anyone heard of this problem? My 1730 is out of warranty so calling dell isnt an option.
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Feb 5, 2008
anyone has managed to get an upgrade (free or otherwise) out of Dell to change their 8700 for 8800?
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Jan 17, 2010
Now it could just be dust, but seeing as that I cleaned it all out about 4 months ago, it's possible it's not all that.
Thing is, I AS5ed it about a yearish ago, and it ran GREAT!! now it seems like the fan doesn't blow as hard on full, and I'm unfortunately out of warranty, and unsure about buying a new warranty from dell.
I don't know wether or not I need to redo the AS5 job, my main questions are...
there a gap sufficient enough on the 7950 go gtx dual heatpipe heatsink design that the gpu isn't quite mating right with the copper?
If my fan is going on me, is there away to put a more powerful fan in? or will only a dell fan be recognized?
Has anyone else had this problem of temperatures increasing over time other than having dustbunnies? aka has anyone had to redo their as5 and it becoming magically better .....
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Oct 2, 2009
I purchased an FX 1600M to replace my fried 7900GS. BIOS didn't recognize it. At the beginning of the boot screen I realized that the card was "engineering sample" and I couldn't install nvidia drivers by double clicking on the setup file because no compatible card recognized. I only could install them from the device manager by updating drivers and pointing out the extracted drivers folder. I use A09 BIOS and Windows XP.
Everest and gpuz say that the card is Quadro fx1600. On every speed setup ati tool showed artifacts, even with downclock!
However the card managed both 3dmark 05 and 06. Actually with good marks.
The card had 2 heatpipes but since my case needed modification I decided to change heatpipes with my old GF7900 gs. With 1 heatpipe I installed it in my Dell E1705. Can it be a heat problem that atitool showed artifacts? I also use i8kfan to check heat run and while gaming temperature went up to 84 degrees. Idle temperature was 60 degrees (corrected with gpuz). I will modify my case soon and install it with 2 heatpipes again.
Does anybody know about "engineering sample" gpu's?
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May 19, 2009
I've had my laptop for over 20 months now and for about 80% of that time I have been connecting my laptop to a samsung HD tv - model LE19R86BD.
However about 2 weeks ago when I unplugged my hdmi cable.
My laptop wouldn't connect to my tv no more. When I plug in the cable I get a no signal message. When I unplug the cable from the laptop I get a no cable connect message (on tv).
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May 2, 2009
Starting to have a bunch of troubles with my Nvidia Quadro 140M card on a Dell D830 laptop.
Main feature is that the screen will either randomly go blank, or will go into severe oscillations in terms of the picture, on both the internal, as well as the external attached LCD.
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Feb 6, 2010
I took some of your advise and grabbed a 250gb 7200 wd scorpio black hd. I am however having problems getting it to run on the Acer 9410z that it is going into. First of all, i have populated the board with the max 2 gb ram , i am looking for the T7200 / T5600 cpu and I grabbed this hd for the 7200 rpm side of things, as the drive never gets populated over about 75gb.
Well it is not only running slow, but it is also locking up randomly on large data transfers. I have only to guess that the 3.0 is causing issues with the 1.5 interface.(WD does state that there is an auto translate function built into drive) I am using windows 7 32bit, which until the hd upgrade seemed to manage ok, however wow ran slow.
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Apr 22, 2010
if anyone has ever put any effort into removing all the crapware from the repair DVD's, to attempt to make their own fresh start?
I have started investigating the DVD's, but it would be quicker if someone had already attempted this and has information.
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Jun 29, 2009
question: Mac or PC?
The only catch is this: in the fall, I'll be entering college as a mechanical engineering freshman, which basically screams "PC, PC!" However, now, with the advent of Bootcamp, Mac has become a plausible option for me.
I've really been looking at the Dell XPS M1330 and the 2.26GHz 13" MacBook Pro. My max budget is $1200, but, if I did my basic math right, I can get both of these around $800-900, which will make my parents happy.
I'm a big fan of OS X. I dig the simplistic and intuitive feel. I also enjoy the rigidity of the new-ish aluminum enclosures, especially when compared to the laptop I'm using now. However, I am familiar with XP after having used it for most of my computing experiences since junior high and onwards. 7 also looks like a very promising operating system.
I hear that Windows on a Mac machine runs pretty smoothly. However, the glitches I've read about do worry me: missing/lacking mouse drivers and lack of power management (also related to overheating ). VMWare and Parallels are also viable options, but I feel like it'd make more sense for me to run engineering applications natively on Windows.....
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Sep 18, 2009
I'm looking for a good deal on a Intel 2 Duo T9400 cpu and I found a Penryn Engineering Sample Q4HQ (No Sensor) which I can get real cheap then there's the Retail version which is not so cheap. Is there any real importance getting the Engineering Sample Q4HQ over the Retail Version.
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Feb 9, 2008
I know a few of you have 8800GTX SLI setups right now. What kind of temps do those cards hit under a heavy load such as Crysis? Are any of you overclocking them yet? How many fans does the M1730 have, and how loud are they on high speed?
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Feb 20, 2008
I could grab one with the 8700's and then swap in the 8800's SLI.
Would I need to have an 8700 SLI setup to move to an 8800 SLI setup?
Are there any caveats about going from one to the other? Any additional hardware needed besides the cards themselves?
Is there a part # so that I can see what I'm probably going to have to spend for the 8800 cards?
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May 21, 2008
about the possibility for an 8800 GTS video upgrade for the 1700/1720.
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Apr 11, 2009
are the 9800 much much better than the 8800s?
i have had some nasty over heating problems with my 8800s recently and they are offering to replace my graphics cards with new or refurbed 8800s,
im pretty good at arguing the toss and reckon i can blag an upgrade to the 9800s, just wondered how much of an improvement they are
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Mar 12, 2009
So I am seeing that you can purchase the M1730 with this card for $1699. This seems kinda cheap to me, definately waaay cheaper than the sli 8800gtx setup was
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Nov 22, 2007
Regarding the NVIDIA 8800, I would suggest that we all call and e-mail Dell and hope that pestering them enough will result in an answer. I myself am in the middle of wanting to purchase a new gaming laptop, and I don't really like the look of the new Alienware, so I'm sticking with the idea of purchasing a 1730. But the fact that I will be paying over $4,000 for a new gaming laptop with GPU's that are already outdated (and by a significant margin judging by the 8800 benchmarks) does bug me a bit.
I've contacted Dell by e-mail/chat and I get the usual "I don't know anything" answer but the interesting part is that the a few of the techs I spoke with said that other people have brought up the 8800 issue as well. I've also called and spoke with a sales guy who told me he doesn't think the 1730 will EVER be able to have the 8800 because they have to custom fit it to the motherboard and that will take months and months and by that time another GPU will probably be out which may not even fit into the 1730 and all that.
But again who knows and he may have just been trying to make a sale...but the point is that someone who is interested in, or already owns, the 1730 is not a parent shopping for a computer for their kid. A person who has come across the 1730 is an advanced user and savvy enough to know that the 8700's in there are already outdated. So if Dell begins to see that they are receiving returns/cancellations and calls/e-mails about the 8800 issue, and they are smart enough to know their target audience for the 1730, I'm sure they will give us some answer as to when (if) the 8800 will be available for the 1730 and what the deal is in regard to a possible upgrade path.
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Jan 24, 2009
I got my new M1730 this week, and after bedding it down, and making sure it seems fine, I ran a 3Dmark2006, and got 9728, which seemed a little low, given what I've seen on reivews,
and benchmark sites, for a 8800 512 GTX SLi setup, even if I do have a T8100 in it.
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Feb 10, 2008
In the US, the M1330 already has the LED backlit and the penryn for some time now. Yet the 1530 is just sitting there...
Other manufacturers have began offering newer GPUs than the 8600, but still nothing from dell on their 15.4".
They teased us with the addition of the 1530 under the "XPS Gaming Laptop" header, but its exactly the same as the regular one.
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Mar 4, 2008
i've got dual 8700's, but was wondering if it was possible to sell those, and get a single 8800gtx. i'm assuming it would give better peformance than what i'm getting now.
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Nov 21, 2007
I'm assuming they are going to equip the XPS 1730 w/ the 8800 GTX but where will the 8800 GTS go? Will that be in the XPS 1710 or jump all the way down to the Inspiron 1720? I also think XPS will mirror Alienware to save on costs.
my guess:
XPS 1730 8800 GTX
XPS 1710 removed from lineup (outdated form factor)
XPS 1715 8800 GTX (new 15in version of the 1730)
Inspiron 1720 8800 GTS
Inspiron 1520 8600 GT
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Jul 15, 2007
You look at the wattage of the desktop versions of the cards and its insane. 165 watts for the 8800 gtx. [url]
the 7xxx cards didn't drain anywhere close to that much, the 78xx around 90watts peak and the 79xx 80watts.[url]
Nvidia and ATI have both been criticized for their lack of performance per watt in their dx10 cards over any previous generation, and its seems to be directly turning around in the mobile market.
It seems they can try and severely limit the stream processors (32 in 8700m gt compared to 128 in 8800gtx) and the memory bandwidth to compensate on a technology that is just built on power consumption.
And of course, even if notebooks can give that much AC power, the problem of heat still remains. People may be waiting for nothing, at least not in the near future until the next round of nvidia cards are released (maybe the jump from 88xx to 89xx will provide much more power savings than 78xx to 79xx) and allow dx10 tech to truly hit the mobile market.
corrected 8700m gt processors
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Feb 20, 2010
or is the dell support service just pulling my leg?? laptop is screwed and i have and engineer coming out to me on tuesday to replace
the motherboard, heatsink and 8800's.. he said there is a shortage at the moment but they will be in stock by the end of the month
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Dec 21, 2007
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i threw my 2 cents in. benchmarked my m1710 with 7900gtx in the thread.
my FRAPS result is near the same as what the 8800 got @ 1280x1024...
maybe diff @ higher res? or better drivers?
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Apr 2, 2009
I'm installing x64 XP Pro on my system (check my sig) after using x86 XP pro for many odd years. I was hoping I could get some help cultivating all the x64 bit compatible drivers for my system because this is a large undertaking, and all my drivers I have backed up to flash drive are for my current 32-bit system, so this is overwhelming to me......
I was hoping I could just get some help from the community retrieving OEM drivers (not Dell drivers) for my system. I want everything up-to-date, including RAID matrix manager and chipset drivers....
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Apr 29, 2009
i have 2 problems with my m1730, one the keyboard lights stopped working, is it driven by a driver or something or what? my 2nd problem is device manager is telling me i have an unknown pci device and is always asking me for driver software. windows has directed me to nvidia for the driver. i know it is the physx processor but the physx control panel says no physx processor installed.
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Sep 29, 2009
I have a M1730 with two hdd (320 and 160 Gb) already installed and I have an extra 120 gb on my desk. Is there a way to put 3rd in my laptop?
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Aug 8, 2009
When I go to Dell website, I cant find the M1730. Is it stopped by Dell and focusing on M17x?
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